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 Author: sneaklyfox  [ Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:03 am ] Post subject: Re: Total daily scores/averages starling wrote:The reason I used the averages was because we should be making rules based off the averages, since to do anything different seems to target individuals. As for my frustration with the book puzzles, part of that's because I don't necessarily consider book puzzles to be a legitimate source of points because they're even less equal access than the timed puzzles.I don't see how book puzzles are even less equal access than the timed puzzles. Access to points, that is, which is what is in debate. Of course they're "accessible" meaning you don't have to pay to do them, but not everyone who does them gets points. Book puzzles, on the other hand, award every person the same number of points for a solution provided you buy the book in the first place.

 Author: sneaklyfox  [ Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:06 am ] Post subject: Re: Total daily scores/averages I forgot to mention this...starling how could you possibly get 96 points from the last week from timed puzzles? At maximum you could only get 15 points a day for being top in each of the 3 categories. That's 7x15=95 for a week which is max.

 Author: starling  [ Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:20 am ] Post subject: Re: Total daily scores/averages sneaklyfox wrote:starling wrote:The reason I used the averages was because we should be making rules based off the averages, since to do anything different seems to target individuals. As for my frustration with the book puzzles, part of that's because I don't necessarily consider book puzzles to be a legitimate source of points because they're even less equal access than the timed puzzles.I don't see how book puzzles are even less equal access than the timed puzzles. Access to points, that is, which is what is in debate. Of course they're "accessible" meaning you don't have to pay to do them, but not everyone who does them gets points. Book puzzles, on the other hand, award every person the same number of points for a solution provided you buy the book in the first place.They're only accessible to people who have the books on hand, which involves either having the book at your local bookstore (Which a small University campus bookstore never would.), or ordering the book, which involves having a credit card (Which I don't). I mean, the points themselves are completely accessible once you have the puzzles, the only issue is getting to the puzzles themselves, which I can't as things are right now, though I imagine my situation is fairly unique. If nothing else, there's the people who either haven't ordered the books yet or are waiting for them to arrive. Timed puzzles are always accessible, whether or not the points are. I am, however, getting the books when I go home for Christmas, and I don't object to book puzzles being included so long as there are enough timed points available to make them negligible.As for how I got 96 in the past week, the max is 15*7, which is 105, not 95... I've been second 4 times, 3-5 once, and 6-10 once in the past week. The others have all been first.

 Author: pnm  [ Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:42 am ] Post subject: Re: Total daily scores/averages sneaklyfox wrote:That's 7x15=95 for a week which is max.At least now we know why you're not number 1

 Author: clm  [ Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:59 pm ] Post subject: Re: Total daily scores/averages rossiniman wrote: … But the good news is that we agree on the solution – separate out the points by creating more than one ranking system. I vote whole-heartedly in favor of your suggestion for three separate rankings: timed, untimed, and combined. That would solve the problem to a tee. We just need to lobby Sir Patrick to make that addition!... I also agree with your point of view. Undoubtedly the actual statistics (including average) are much better than the original ones (statistics referring to unregistered people solving puzzles, or type of browser, etc.., were not very significative, well in the beginning, those have already disappeared). Patrick has worked a lot improving actual lists (scrolling bars, more tables like the "number of consecutive days", introducing five types of timed rankings, etc.). However, since the introduction of book solutions and timed puzzles, looks like some additonal information is needed, like those individualized rankings for untimed, timed, book, combined, etc.. In the past I even suggested to include in "your history" the timed points (as it is actually being done with book solutions and bonus points). I am conscious of the great effort that making any modification to the software represents (for every new feature introduced) so I understand we must be patient. But when the moment of reconfiguring all the statistics comes, I have two additional ideas: 1. To introduce a "last 6 months" and "last 365 days" rankings (because there is people that, i.e., commenced in November 2010 with the original page but actually are not active puzzlers or have abandon definitively our "club"). 2. To introduce a second (200 days) "number of consecutive days" ranking. 3. To introduce something (that I already suggested in the past) that in my opinion could be an interesting idea: the "Guiness record", the historical "best time" but in solving untimed (for each category, mainly in the higher categories, 8x8 medium, 8x8 difficult, 9x9, 10x10 and 12x12 and other in the future, actually five additional rankings). Even considering the fact that in different parts of the world people solves at different times, perhaps the "competitive spirit", to be the "first" in those rankings could motivate people to sacrifice some sleep. A lot of work for Patrick, certainly, since probably it would require unify, reconfigure and "nesting" the rankings. (By the way, particularly myself I am more interested in having fun with that new "12x12 only" puzzles book, 101? 16 "bonus" points?).

 Author: pnm  [ Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:22 pm ] Post subject: Re: Total daily scores/averages clm wrote: A lot of work for Patrick, certainly, since probably it would require unify, reconfigure and "nesting" the rankings. (By the way, particularly myself I am more interested in having fun with that new "12x12 only" puzzles book, 101? 16 "bonus" points?).First I want to figure out how to best display this breakdown of untimed/timed/book puzzles.I'm also still undecided about whether to award points for the puzzles in the new book (I supposethat if a points breakdown is in place, this is easier to accept).Wrt. the SSL certificate, this should be in place now, so (hopefully) https://www.calcudoku.org shouldwork for people without browser warnings (this is not really important, I only need it for the facebook link).Patrick

 Author: jaek  [ Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:05 pm ] Post subject: Re: Total daily scores/averages pnm wrote:sneaklyfox wrote:That's 7x15=95 for a week which is max.At least now we know why you're not number 1 If there's one thing I've learned from calcudoku, it's that a 3-cell 105* cage contains a 3, a 5 and a 7. And yet, I read 7*15=95 and rolled right past it. I assumed a typo on Starling's part which now seems just silly. Taking 96 out of 105 points leaves little room for typos.On a side note, I'll file away 95* = 5, 19 for whenever Patrick implements 19x19 or larger puzzles. Talk about a marathon...

 Author: sneaklyfox  [ Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:19 pm ] Post subject: Re: Total daily scores/averages Uh yeah... 7x15=95... Hahhhhh... I can't believe I did that. Or no, I can. I'm well known for making stupid mistakes. But really... I have one very good excuse for being dumb and slow lately. I'm pregnant with our #3 kid and feeling quite fatigued.

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