cjsidharth wrote:

I'm trying to attach an image but can't figure it out.

Some info is here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=38

(I'll make this a "sticky" topic so it stays at the top)

(if you already have the image, you only need step 2 of course)

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Remember that the cages with 0x or 0/ must have a cell with the value 0.

1. a5 is not 0, refer to cage b4

2. a6 is not 0, refer to row 1 (b1 and e1 would be 0 if a6=0)

3. c5 is not 5, refer to cage c1 (cage c1 must have -1 in one of the cells)

4. a6 is not 1, refer to cage d6

5. c6 is not 0, refer to cage c3 (if c6=0 then d5=0 and that would leave no 0 for any cell in cage c3)

6. c6 is not 2, refer to rows 5&6, cage e5 would have no valid values.

7. c5 or d5 must be 2, that solves cell a5

From this point it is all basic steps to complete the puzzle.

I have created some images of the above steps if anybody is interested.

If anybody has any questions please feel free to ask, or if I made a mistake let me know.

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It took some trial and error in several cages, but I eventually arrived at the correct solution. I had a no-op bonus puzzle before this one IIRC. I can only imagine the chaos that would ensue if there were a bonus puzzle with negative numbers AND no-op in it!

skeeter84

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(I think you meant columns c&d) Could you expand, please? I fail to see how you deduced that.

Yes I did mean columns c & d,

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1. c1 is not 2, refer to cages in columns c&d

If we try 2 in c1, we can test the cages in columns c & d as follows:

cage c2 (192x) would become c2=1, c3=8, d2=4,6, d3=4.6

cage c5 (14+) would become c5=5, c6=3, d5=3

cage c8 (3mod) then has no possible values, therefore c1 can not be 2

This image shows what I mean.

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michaele wrote:

1. c1 is not 2, refer to cages in columns 3&4

(I think you meant columns c&d) Could you expand, please? I fail to see how you deduced that.

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It should be straight forward to get to this stage:

From there follow these steps.

1. c1 is not 2, refer to cages in columns 3&4

2. d5 is not 5, refer to row 6 would have no cell that could be 1

3. add rows 7 & 8, this eliminates 3 & 5 from g7, and 2 from g8 & h8

4. g8 is not 4, refer to row 6, no cell has a 7

5. b8 is not 6, as above, no cell in row 6 has a 7

6. e8 or f8 must be 2, therefore e8 & f8 can not be 4, cage b7(14+) has no possible values

7. e5 is not 5, this would give us 3&7 in cells e6 and e7, this creates a parallel cell value conflict with e2 & f2

From this point it is all basic methods to complete the puzzle.

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I used the same global strategy, although far less efficiently. In step 2, I didn't see this quick cul-de-sac and had to dig deeper to find the correct position for the '5'. But in step 3, I had to dig a LOT deeper. Completely missed the '7's, so no quick and easy clearing of the '8' hypothesis. Argghhh... I'll try to better observe the puzzle next time! Thanks again!

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In the thread “8x8 difficult Thursday 25/06/2020”, Section “Specific puzzles / your own puzzles”, viewtopic.php?f=16&t=1248 , some puzzlers (tusky, ineedaname, …) expressed the opinion that this puzzle was particularly difficult and they had some problems with logic and had to follow Trial and Error procedure to solve it. In my opinion TAE is not advisable, I think that “all puzzles can be solved analytically”. Here is my “step by step” full analytical solution (not enough time to provide intermediate graphics, so the digits must be directly entered in the grid, if puzzle is still available on the site or, otherwise, written in a separate printout). My concept of the analysis is based in the idea that, once you arrive to any point, if you have two branches (rarely three), you must eliminate one of them by pure logic, etc., then you bold the selected digits and continue to the next point.

1.We fill all “given” numbers (including pairs of candidates, etc.): d1 = 7, e1 = 1, h1 = 4, d4 = 2, b5 = 1, d6 = 8, a7 = 2, d7 = 1, h7 = 8 and a8 = 1. Also e2-f2 = [3,7] and a4-a5 = [7,8]. Now we know that a 3 cannot be inside a “4mod” cage and, since a3 cannot be a 3,

2.“192x” is not a multiple of 5, so 5 in column d must be in d5 or d8. Let’s eliminate one of these options: If d5 = 5, c5-c6 = [2,4] with c5 = 4, c6 = 2, since “4mod” contains a 4. Now we observe that in these conditions cage “2-” = [6,8] (unique) (with a5 = 7) but then there is no place for a 1 in row 6 (since a 1 cannot be inside a “2mod” cage, that is, in g6). So we have concluded that

3.Cage “3mod” in row 8 has only two possibilities: c8 = 3 or c8 = 8. Let’s eliminate c8 = 8 >>> g7 + g8 + h8 = 14 (addition rule to rows 7 and 8, 72 in total); then g7 should be odd (parity rule, since “1-” is odd); now 3 is not possible since “1-” = [5,6]; 5 is not possible since “1-” = [4,5] so g7 = 7 >>> g8-h8 = [3,4] with g8 = 4, h8 = 3, and now the 7 of column h goes to h4 >>> a5 = 7, and then there is no place for a 7 in column c since c6 = 7 is not possible due to c5-d5 = [1,3] but there is a 1 in b5. So we have concluded that

4.The 8 of column c must go to c3, since it is not possible in c5 (>>> d5 = 1 or 2) or c4 (b4 should be 1 or 7 both impossible). So

5.Now we go with the position of the 3 in column d: It must be in d3 or d5. If d5 = 3 >>> d2-d3 = [4,6] >>> c2 = 1 but there is no way of obtaining a sum of 8 in c5-c6, since [1,7], [2,6] and [3,5] are all impossible. So we have concluded that

6.The 5 in column c must be in c4 or c7. If c7 = 5 >>> b7 = 3, b8 = 6, then b4 = 4, c4 = 7 which is impossible for cage “1mod”. We have concluded that

7.Considering a4-a5 we conclude that if a5 = 7 there is no place for an 8 in row 5 because if e5 = 8 it’s not possible to obtain a sum of 7 in e6-f6, that is, either [1,6] or [2,5] or [3,4] are impossible. So

8.At this point we have the left side of the grid, rows a, b, c and d, completely filled, and g7 + g8 + h8 = 19 (addition rule to rows 7 and 8, 72 in total). Here we have five “a priori” possibilities: [3,8,8], [5,7,7], [6,6,7], [4,7,8] and [5,6,8]. We see immediately that [3,8,8], [5,7,7] and [5,6,8] are impossible (this last due to “1-” with a 6 and an 8). Then, we eliminate one of these: [6,6,7] or [4,7,8]. Let’s start with [4,7,8]: If g8 = 8, h8 = 7 and g7 = 4 >>> h5 = 2, h6 = 6, h4 = 3, h3 = 1, h2 = 5 and g2 = 1 but then cage “2:” cannot be accomplished, that is, [1,2], [2,4], [3,6] and [4,8] are all invalid. Consequently, the only possibility is [6,6,7], in L-shape, that is,

9.The rest seems very easy. In row 6, among 2, 3, 6 or 7, only g6 = 2 is possible. Also “4-” = [3,7], h3 = 2, h4 = 1, h2 = 5, g2 = 1. So, cage “2:” = [4,8] >>> g3 = 4, g4 = 8 >>> f1 = 8, g1 = 5 >>> g5 = 3, f5 = 5 >>> h5 = 7, h6 = 3, then e5 = 2 and e6-f6 = [6,7]. We finish the puzzle completing row 3: e3 = 6, f3 = 1 (1 cannot be inside the cage “2mod” in e3-e4) and then e4 = 4 (but not e4 = 3 to complete cage “2mod”), f4 = 3 >>> e2 = 3, f2 = 7 >>> e6 = 7, f6 = 6. And, finally, e7 = 5, f7 = 4, e8 = 8 and f8 = 2.

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The blank spaces in the main diagonal because obviously we cann't repeat the same number twice in a 2-cell cage.

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Because I'm afraid of making mistakes...

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